A Conversation With Prime Minister Justin Trudeau of Canada, and an OpenAI Whistle-Blower Speaks Out

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Warning: this episode accommodates robust language.

This week, we host a cultural trade. Kevin and Casey showcase their Canadian paraphernalia to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, and he exhibits off what he’s doing to place Canada as a pacesetter in A.I. Then, the OpenAI whistle-blower Daniel Kokotajlo speaks in considered one of his first public interviews about why he risked nearly $2 million in fairness to warn of what he calls the reckless tradition inside that firm.

Guests:

• Justin Trudeau, Prime Minister of Canada

• Daniel Kokotajlo, a former researcher in OpenAI’s governance division

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Credits

“Hard Fork” is hosted by Kevin Roose and Casey Newton and produced by Whitney Jones and Rachel Cohn. The present is edited by Jen Poyant. Engineering by Alyssa Moxley and unique music by Dan Powell, Marion Lozano, Diane Wong and Pat McCusker.

Special because of Paula Szuchman, Pui-Wing Tam, Nell Gallogly, Kate LoPresti and Jeffrey Miranda.